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PA Herp Laws-between a rock and a hard place

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  • Started 10 months ago by seto2112
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  1. seto2112
    Member

    Okay I can't get a straight answer from the PAFBC on removing snakes from people's homes. For some reason I get called from time to time. Just because the local police know that I know about snakes and have extensive experience with them. 30 years. Which includes doing educational programs and so on. Anyway-I called the PAFBC last year and they told me-they don't remove snakes cos they don't have the budget or manpower.
    "Snakes can be removed by anyone-a neighbor, a police officer, a snake expert, exterminator, wildlife center-because we don't do it anymore" "The only restriction is that whoever does it may not kill the snakes"

    Now wait does that include protected species ? and she said Yes. I asked does that include Rattlesnakes and Copperheads for which you need a permit and she said "it's not like you're catching them to keep or eat, so it's different." So I then asked-"but can't I get into trouble for possession?" :She said "Not under those circumstances-you are an agent of the police"
    Okay?

    This year-I called again about this-and the guy asked who told me the original info and I told him. He's not sure that is correct and is supposed to get back to me. He morally thinks it's fine to try to save the animals but doesn't know what the legalities are. Does anyone here have a clue? Most people won't remove a Milksnake from their bathroom closet!! etc.

    BTW-Since websites like this and mine and other ones can ID snakes online quickly-80 % of the people who get IDs will leave it alone-unless it's in their house or is venomous.

    I don't want to get into trouble for by doing something the police ask me to do.

    Just to note-I never keep anything-I release them outside the home or within the same area because I know they have territories.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  2. krloucks
    Moderator

    It is kinda the same as moving a box turtle off of a road.... 'in hand" can be deemed "possession" and is against the law. But, the law aside, I would still do the right thing and move the turtle 100% of the time. So if you are doing the right thing by removing snakes, permit or not, I would do it. Hopefully any officer would recognize rescuer vs. poacher.
    Good work by you... keep it up.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  3. krloucks
    Moderator

    It is kinda the same as moving a box turtle off of a road.... 'in hand" can be deemed "possession" and is against the law. But, the law aside, I would still do the right thing and move the turtle 100% of the time. So if you are doing the right thing by removing snakes, permit or not, I would do it. Hopefully any officer would recognize rescuer vs. poacher.
    Good work by you... keep it up.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  4. seto2112
    Member

    Thanks for your support! I think I might have an idea. Have the Police Officer and/or Park Ranger go along and document the release. Just like it was documented that the Timber bodies were turned over to the CCEEC (Environmental center) See the posted record on that stupid incident.

    There is one other thing I want to know-why aren't park rangers trained to move snakes themselves-they have the equipment but don't know how to use it?! What is up with that? I could train someone in 10 minutes to use it properly.

    AND when you report someone poaching from State Parks-they don't do anything about it. Even when the person has the snake openly in hand. The park in my area is very specific about NOT removing anything-not even flowers or rocks! Then I get conflicting info-while messing with a Black Racer to get photos-they told me-take it out of here( the park) cos we don't want them here....WTF! Then while walking with a snake hook-which I haven't done in years since-I got frisked to see what I might have used it for.....I was like I used it to get the snake into a better position for a photo and it wasn't a protected species then or now. So fine-I'll just bitten to get a better shot of a Black Racer--does that make them happy?

    Sorry for venting a bit...oh yeah-and get this..while walking, I came across a ranger who I knew, and he asked me to catch a Timber and a Copperhead in said park for him to use for instructing new recruits....I was like I don't want to get into trouble....sigh....luckily I had 3 witnesses and one of those people did have a catch permit. Still-I don't get if those cover State Parks and/or Gamelands. One person says yes and another says no. Sigh....

    Posted 10 months ago #
  5. krloucks
    Moderator

    Still want to be on the right side of the law... Be straightforward with the officers and there should be no problem. My encounters have ended positively luckily and all have been good folks.

    Posted 10 months ago #
  6. seto2112
    Member

    So far no problems have occurred -Thank God!

    Posted 10 months ago #

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